‘Game of Thrones': Twitter reacts to Cersei scene, champions Daenerys

April 21, 2014 | 1:21 p.m.
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Arya (Maisie Williams) and the Hound (Rory McCann) meet some unexpected travelers. (Helen Sloan/HBO)

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Meera (Ellie Kendrick), Bran (Isaac Hempstead Wright) and Hodor (Kristian Nairn) on their way to the sacred tree. (Helen Sloan/HBO)

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A scene from "The Watchers on the Wall," the ninth episode of Season 4 of HBO's "Game of Thrones." (Helen Sloan/HBO)

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A scene from "The Watchers on the Wall," the ninth episode of Season 4 of HBO's "Game of Thrones." (Helen Sloan/HBO)

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A scene from "The Watchers on the Wall," the ninth episode of Season 4 of HBO's "Game of Thrones." (Helen Sloan/HBO)

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Rose Leslie as Ygritte and Kit Harington as Jon Snow in HBO's "Game of Thrones." (Helen Sloan/HBO)

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Oberyn (Pedro Pascal) and the Mountain (Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson) in battle. (Macall B. Polay / HBO)

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Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) speaks harshly to her once-trusted adviser Jorah (Iain Glen) while Grey Worm (Jacob Anderson) looks on. (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Roose Bolton (Michael McElhatton) rewards his bastard son Ramsay (Iwan Rheon). (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Tywin Lannister (Charles Dance) sits on the Iron Throne as judge at Tyrion's trial. (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) advises his brother (Peter Dinklage). (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Tommen (Dean-Charles Chapman) is crowned king by the High Septon (Paul Bentley). (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Arya (Maisie Williams) shows the Hound (Rory McCann) her sword-fighting moves. (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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The lead mutineer (Burn Gorman) threatens Bran's friends (Ellie Kendrick and Thomas Brodie-Sangster). (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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The Lannisters pay their respects to the fallen King Joffrey. With Lena Headey, Dean-Charles Chapman, Jack Gleeson and Charles Dance. (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Littlefinger (Aidan Gillen) to the supposed rescue of Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner). (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Littlefinger (Aidan Gillen) gives Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner) a lesson on his power. (Helen Sloan / HBO)

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Natalie Dormer in Sunday's episode of "Game of Thrones," "The Lion and the Rose," written by George R.R. Martin.

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Natalie Dormer and Gwendoline Christie in a scene from "Game of Thrones." (Macall B. Polay / HBO)

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Jacob Anderson and Nathalie Emmanuel in a scene from "Game of Thrones." (Macall B. Polay / HBO)

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Michiel Huisman, Nathalie Emmanuel and Emilia Clarke in a scene from "Game of Thrones." (Macall B. Polay / HBO)

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Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Peter Dinklage in a scene from "Game of Thrones." (Neil Davidson / HBO)

Sunday’s episode of HBO’s sprawling series “Game of Thrones” dealt with the fallout from the much-discussed Purple Wedding, but the installment also managed to churn up its own controversy on Twitter.

(If you haven’t seen the episode, “Breaker of Chains,” you should probably stop reading now.)

The hour was packed with grizzly drama but nothing quite like the dismal encounter between Cersei (Lena Headey) and Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau), the incestuous brother-sister pair whose relationship has sunk to a new low.

To say it plainly: Right next to the dead body of King Joffrey, their doomed love child, Jaime Lannister rapes his sister as some sort of twisted punishment for being a “hateful woman.”

Ever since Jaime returned to King’s Landing, with a stump where his sword-fighting hand used to be, Cersei has given him the cold shoulder. For some reason, Jaime seems surprised to learn what everyone in Westeros knew all along: Cersei loves only her children unconditionally; all other humans, blood-related or not, are on permanent notice.

The scene, which isn’t in the George R.R. Martin books (they do have sex near Joffrey’s corpse but it’s consensual, albeit rough), has spurred much criticism from fans online. Comments from the episode’s director Alex Graves haven’t helped matters.

The director claimed in an interview with Hitfix that the rape “becomes consensual by the end, because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle.”

No one can deny the wretched dynamics between the Lannister siblings, but the scene, which has Cersei pleading “stop it” repeatedly and struggling against Jaime, appears far from consensual.

In addition to railing against the violent scene, viewers weighed in on other plot turns, including the return of Littlefinger, who claims to be protecting Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner), and Daenerys’ (Emilia Clarke’s) slaver-threatening ways at Meereen.

In one of her best scenes yet, the Mother of Dragons tells the slaves to rebel and launches crates that smash against the city walls. Inside are the broken collars of former slaves.

Daenerys’ promises of freedom come with a price (“you’re free… to join my army!”), but the scene got viewers pumped for Khaleesi’s continued ascent toward world domination.

The hashtag “Khaleesi2016″ has cropped up, in case you want to start your Super PAC now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did you make of Sunday’s episode? Leave your thoughts in the comments section below.

— Margaret Wappler | @MargaretWappler

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25 Responses to ‘Game of Thrones': Twitter reacts to Cersei scene, champions Daenerys

  1. Victoria says:

    The director, Alex Graves, should stop talking now. That scene was clearly non-consensual. Either the director can't edit or he needs to attend a rape workshop.

  2. blancaster60 says:

    I know that in this new age of television, virtually nothing is off limits, but a brother raping his sister beside their dead son? That's really pushing it. There's groundbreaking and then there is just plain disgusting. In this case, I think the latter is a more fitting description of that scene. I think it was a low point in what has been one of the best shows ever on TV.

    • SlurricanePat says:

      You know True Detective JUST happened, right? Or did we forget that finale and Errol Childress already?

    • Mokilok says:

      Really? That's pushing it? Something tells me poor Tansy would have switched places with the former queen regent in a heartbeat. And yet no outcry over a young girl being torn apart by dogs, complete with screams of anguish and bloody squelching noises, for a solid 15 seconds.

  3. amd says:

    As soon as I saw it I said that clearly the director enjoys watching a certain type of thing because there was absolutely no need for that scene, he added it for his own viewing pleasure. The character of Jaime, who hated rape enough to endanger himself and lose his hand and loved his sister enough to commit murder for her now turns completely around, hates his sister and loves rape.

    And now this guy actually trying to pretend it wasn't rape?!

    Be wary if you are female and spend time or work around him. The man has a fetish. Case closed.

    • Jay says:

      Agreed. Director Alex Graves and all that see that scene as anything other then rape, need to be schooled. I won't say how that lesson should be taught. But it should be one they will never forget.

      The only thing I disagree with… He didn't and could not have added that scene because he wanted to. THAT honor goes to David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, who wrote the episode. They are also the show's executive producers and brought to HBO the idea of turning George R.R. Martin's books into a series. Thank them for the rape.

  4. rac says:

    very orignal can't stop watching

  5. doomsdayzen says:

    I think the show runners blundered with the rape scene. I was starting to like Jaime last season and now he's back to being a vile creep. Sam abandoning Gilly and her baby in Mole Town was also terrible. Overall, a lackluster episode that only picked up at the end with Daenerys.

  6. Truthspeaker says:

    A lot to stomach in this episode of GOT. The rape scene at the wake, well, short of selling tickets for the family to watch was about as low as it gets. It's hard to feel sympathy for Cersei, but I almost did. As for Jaime, very disappointed…He was just beginning to be decent and now this. But other scenes bothered me more. The Hound robbing the kind man who took them in. And especially Little Finger killing the good man who saved Sansa. Now she's in more danger than ever. Saddest of all, Tyrion left alone in a cell waiting to be tried for murder by his own father, who is likely the real killer of his own grandson, King Joffrey. The plot thickens for sure.

  7. fredo says:

    Come people….it's fiction, not a news story. Not many complaints about merciless killing and maiming, infanticide, torture and incest. Get over it. It's a great story brought to life on TV. One of the best shows ever made. Keep the shocking events coming.

  8. CIndy says:

    You bare to watch countless men and women, and even a baby murdered before your eyes, and all the sex from somewhat romantic to outright disgusting, and your sole issue with the show (with regard to morality) is this rape of the worst woman (or person) in Westeros? You can chant "I hope insert-character-here-dies" or "Theon deserved to get his genitals chopped off and constantly mocked for it" because of all their sins, and somehow that is more acceptable than Cersei getting raped? Rape is not worse than murder, and for the evil woman she is, this evil act was surely deserved.

    • onir says:

      The rape in itself is not the problem, the fact that a guy who is supposed to love his sister above anyone else and finds rape utterly disgusting rapes his own sister is the problem, it is totally out of character for him, at least the image many of us book readers have of him.

  9. There's a lot more rape in the books, and a lot more graphic horror as well, not to mention the sheer unmitigated relentless hardship. The adaptation, given that it has to give the flavour of hundreds of pages within a few episodes, is absolutely marvellous. For instance, Khal Drogo does not rape Dany on their wedding night, but the overall feel of it – a naive young girl, having to lose her virginity to an anamalistic barbarian, is almost exactly right.

  10. fredS says:

    what used to be an excellent series in seasons 1 and 2 is now one where rape/sex scenes in front of a coffin

    • David Ness says:

      And that is worse then beheadings of fathers in front of their children? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

  11. Elias says:

    Perhaps it's just not for everyone, but the angry crowd here seems to be trying to minimize that this is a fantasy show set in an alternate universe/world. This is not reality, the raping of a fictional character no matter how horrible the circumstances are still actions done toward a fictional character on fictional show. For those worrying about "trickle down morality"….don't. That's not how morality works.

  12. Nanci says:

    It ain't broke – so don't fix it to appease the squeamish or the politically correct. Thrones need not change its ways. If you don't like how scenes and relationships unfold – DON'T WATCH IT!!!! But DONOT ruin it for the rest of us.

    • onir says:

      I don't complain about the rape, sex, maiming, whathaveyou that is shown on screen, but what can I say I'm just really disappointed in this scene because it seems very out of character for Jaime, who loves nothing and no one more than his sister, to rape her, especially now that he's trying to make things right.

  13. samalematina says:

    Another storm in a tea cup. Stop your whining. This show is all about watching society and people at their worst. You know thats exactly why you sit in front of the TV for this every week. Yes it was a rape scene but NO it does not condone the act. Same as it does not condone all the other horrible things that happen on the show like murder, torture, slavery, sorcery etc. etc. It part of the story in this mythical world (actually based on real world history). So stop finding faults where there is non and enjoy the show for what it is.

    • thatperson says:

      The problem isn't really that they showed rape on the show, as you've said: horrible things happen in Westeros.
      The problem is how the writers and director talked about it afterwards: nobody of them acknowkledged the fact that it was rape, they all somehow sweettalked it, calling Cercei and Jaimie's relationship complicated (which it is, but still).
      That is the issue right there: they did clearly show non-consensual sex, but they excuse it afterwards. That's a bad thing to do. You shouldn't excuse rape. Period.

      • John David says:

        I don't think they clearly showed non consensual sex. In fact, it seemed pretty clear to me that it was consensual by the time actual penetration occurs. To me it came across as a power struggle between the two of them. This is coming from someone who's mother and sister are rape victims, so I think of myself as being more sensitive about rape topics than most men. I never thought of this as being a rape scene, only a sex scene next to a coffin between two people with a very interesting relationship.

  14. Emma says:

    Are Alex Graves and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau closet Republicans? Because their handwaving over what was *clearly* a rape makes me think they got the GOP's memos about legitimate rape, sitting back and just enjoying the ride, and every other stupid thing a Republican politician has said about rape in the past couple years.
    Yes, I hated that scene. Not because Cersei was raped. I honestly don't give a damn about her. But that they derail Jaime's redemption arc by making him do something so completely out of character. This is the man who endangered his life, and lost his hand, in order to prevent a woman being raped, and now he's raping another woman?! What the hell, writers?

    • David Ness says:

      I agree that would be odd if he'd actually raped his sister. However he didn't, even the directors have said that's not what it was. Just because some view it that way doesn't mean it happened, this is fiction so the story teller decides what's true or not. If the directors state it was a power struggle (which is how it appeared to me) then that's what it was. Maybe they could of done it better so many of you weren't so confused by it, but it worked for me. I didn't think any less of Jamie's character after the scene, in fact I thought more of him because he stood up to his sister. Add that to the closing scene of the following episode and Jamie is becoming a decent guy.

  15. Take note, would-be writers: there is a market, for politically-correct medieval fantasy…

  16. Roseeeds says:

    With all the bad things happening in Westeros, that rape scene really didn't bother me. :|

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