‘The Legend of Zelda’: Nintendo’s Eiji Aonuma plots series’ future

June 18, 2013 | 12:36 p.m.
"The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD"

October will see the release of “The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD.” (Nintendo of America)

Nintendo’s Eiji Aonuma is seeing two major “The Legend of Zelda” titles through release in 2013 — “The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD” for the WiiU and “The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds” for the 3DS — but with each project nearing completion, his attention is shifting to a project he hopes will completely reimagine the “Zelda” franchise.

Though early in development, the first original “Zelda”-branded game for the Wii U is proving to be a creative challenge for Aonuma, the longtime overseer of the franchise. The Wii U, with its touchpad-like controller, offers game mechanics unlike any other system on the market — or coming to the market — and Aonuma intends to use them.

“It’s not that anyone is telling me we have to change the formula,” Aonuma said. “I want to change it. I’m kind of getting tired of it.”

Speaking frankly through an interpreter last week at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) in Los Angeles, Aonuma said the production for the Wii U “Zelda” is still in its experimental phase. Yet everything, including game mechanics and how players relate to Link, is up for reconsideration.

Maybe, perhaps, the largely silent protagonist will even have a voice? Probably unlikely, Aonuma said.

“If I’m getting tired of it, then I’m sure other people are getting tired of it,” Aonuma said of “Zelda’s” dungeon-exploration formula. “There is an essential ‘Zelda’ I feel we need to stay true to. We are still testing things, exploring our options. We haven’t landed anywhere at this point. We’re still seeing what we can do.”

"The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD"

A look at “The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD.” (Nintendo of America)

“Zelda” fans will get glimpses of what Aonuma and his team have been up to when Nintendo releases “The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD,” the Wii U remake of the GameCube title due in October. Of course, a remake of a 2002 game is not the “Zelda” revelation longtime fans have been clamoring for, but Aonuma said bringing “Wind Waker” to the Wii U has been an exercise in what is possible on the relatively new system.

Aonuma stopped short of calling it a “training ground” (his words), but noted that after “Wind Waker” is completed the team will then be fully dedicated to reimagining “Zelda” for the Wii U. Some game mechanics originally created for the Wii U, such as utilizing the GamePad’s gyroscope ability to allow Link to better look around and aim via the controller’s motion abilities, were brought to the “Wind Waker” remake.

“In thinking of working on the new ‘Zelda’ for Wii U, there’s a lot that can be learned in the process of making ‘Wind Waker’ for the Wii U,” he said. “There are certainly people working on ‘Wind Waker HD’ who will then be working on the Wii U version of ‘Zelda.’ We want them to acquire all the skills and technical know-how that they can in this process and then apply those to the Wii U version.”

"The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD"

An original “Zelda” title for the Wii U is still a ways off, says Eiji Aonuma. (Nintendo of America)

Just don’t start asking him about tentative release dates.

The launch of the Wii U already has been hampered by the somewhat slow pipeline of games, and titles originally planned for the system’s launch window, such as “The Wonderful 101” and “Pikmin 3,” encountered numerous delays. While Nintendo has outlined a relatively robust release schedule for the remainder of 2013, players shouldn’t expect to see the Wii U “Zelda” anytime soon.

“I’m the one clamoring for dates and deadlines,” he said, “but all that stuff can get thrown out the window at any given time. The company is always telling us, ‘When are you going to be done with your games?’ Because they need a release date. But I can’t tell you where in the development we are because things are still up in the air.”

So how does Aonuma know he has hit on an idea he wants to move forward with?

“Regardless of what hardware we’re developing for, the element of surprise is key to the experience,” he said. “Honestly, I want the feeling of, ‘Yeah, you didn’t think you could do that!’ Or, ‘You didn’t think of doing that, did you?’ Those are the proud moments as a developer. With ‘Phantom Hourglass’ [for the Nintendo DS], no one thought you could control Link so well using a stylus and a touchscreen, but we were able to accomplish it.”

"The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds"

Eiji Aonuma is proud of Link’s ability to become a drawing in “The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds.” (Nintendo of America)

Another moment that gave Aonuma that sensation occurs in the upcoming 3DS title “The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds,” set in the same universe as 1991’s “The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.” The game allows Link to essentially become a drawing to slip into landscapes and scale walls. It was a way to toy with the 2-D and 3-D abilities of the handheld 3DS, as well as create puzzles not traditionally found in a “Zelda” game.

“A Link Between Worlds” was given to Aonuma as an assignment from Nintendo mastermind Shigeru Miyamoto, who is responsible for some of the most recognizable games of all time, including “Donkey Kong,” the “Zelda” series and the “Super Mario Bros.” franchise.

As Aonuma tells it, Miyamoto wanted to reexplore “A Link to the Past” because in the original “we actually kind of faked the sense of height with shading and other tricks. Mr. Miyamoto really wanted to find out what that world looks like. What does it look like when you see it in 3-D and experience it in 3-D? How does that change gameplay?”

It wasn’t until Aonuma’s team hit on the idea of turning Link into a drawing that he became excited about the possibilities of the project. The concept of shifting Link into a work of art was inspired by the ghostly Phantom Ganon from “The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time,” a 1998 title that counted Aonuma as part of the team.

“If Link enters a wall, visually it’s not very interesting,” he said. “It’s going to be a limited space. But if you combine that with a top-down view and have two shifts in perspectives, you open up the opportunities for discovery.”

It isn’t always clear when and where Link needs to jump into 2D-mode and at what moment Link should use it to slither in and out of dungeon walls. That’s by design, as Aonuma is against the hand-holding of many modern adventure games, where directional cues and highlighted objects make the path before the player an obvious one.

“You create this world, you create this character and the world should tell the character what he or she is supposed to do as opposed to it being spoon-fed,” he said. “At the same time, you want the character to be interesting enough so the player is invested. You don’t want a character that’s boring and doesn’t really do much…. You need to give some information, but not too much. If it’s too much it starts feeling forced or separated from what [the player] feels and the connection is lost. As a creator, that’s something we struggle with.”

And struggle Aonuma does. When he said he doesn’t have much to share on the Wii U’s original “Zelda” adventure, he said he isn’t being cagey, mostly; he’s still waiting for inspiration to strike.

“What I want to do, not specifically with Link but with the ‘Zelda’ franchise, I’m always striving to make something no one else can, something that is so distinctly ‘Zelda’ that it can only be done in a ‘Zelda’ game,” he said. “There are times when I hit walls and I can’t come up with new ideas and I think maybe I should just give up and quit, but eventually a new idea comes along and I’m proud of myself. It breeds new life into the creative process.

“I go through these phases, over and over again,” he continued. “I hope those high points keep on coming.”

– Todd Martens

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7 Responses to ‘The Legend of Zelda’: Nintendo’s Eiji Aonuma plots series’ future

  1. Kaihaku says:

    Personally, I hope that The Legend of Zelda Wii U takes a step back from the series' long history and focuses on the open world gameplay of the original NES classic. Since Ocarina of Time the series has become increasingly linear and I think that that's slowly made it predictable. I still enjoy every Zelda but the formula is starting to feel old. I think returning the series to its roots, to that strong focus on open world exploration would reinvigorate it.

    Story time. When I was kid, my Aunt gave our family the original Legend of Zelda for Christmas. We had never seen anything like it. My brother and I played together, in the days long before GameFAQs we eagerly shared new discoveries with our cousins and wondered where new secrets might be hidden. After we beat the game, my brother and I challenged each other to see how far we could get without picking up a sword – the answer was surprisingly far. I still enjoy The Legend of Zelda but I miss those days. One of the things that I love about Miiverse is that it reminds me of sharing discoveries with my cousins, it's personal and focused.

    • jeff p says:

      You can make it as far as Ganon without a sword but you can't do anything against him. Which now that I think of it is a fascinating analogy. You begin as a kid starting out with only the most basic guidance on how to proceed and end up in a room alone, your only possible outcome an inevitible death. But hey, what a grand adventure you had!

  2. Marcster says:

    frankly I really enjoy the current format of Zelda I really hope they wont make a drastic change that COMPLETLY changes the formula, I mean there is a predictable formula such as the same number of items as well as the items them self (cough Iron boots) same villain, same number of dungeons, etc, I really hope they can make a Zelda game that feels like what Zelda has meant throughout the years, and not some game that we all feel is a disgrace to Zelda just because of a disinterest

  3. Yienwae says:

    My hope is that they do a more open world format with many different side quests. Either way, I am sure the next Zelda game on the Wii U will deliver.

  4. Peanut Crunch says:

    So far Aonuma has said the new game will be two things:

    1. Less linear
    2. Not be played alone, which I'd take to mean Miiverse integration.

  5. averagejosh says:

    Honestly, Aonuma and his team could make Zelda games using the same old formula from now until the end of time and I'd still buy each and every one and be in love with them. That said, I'm glad Aonuma-san is looking for ways in which to mix up the formula. I seem to remember reading something recently where he stated that Skyrim had been a point of inspiration in some capacity in making Zelda U.

  6. BBB says:

    Seems like a really down-to-earth guy. I like him. And I'm really looking forward to the rest of the series.

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