‘Hobbit’: Tolkien purist Evangeline Lilly talks new elf Tauriel

Nov. 01, 2013 | 11:15 a.m.
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Evangeline Lilly as Tauriel, left, and Lee Pace as Thranduil in "The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug." (Warner Bros.)

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Martin Freeman as Bilbo Baggins in "The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug." (Warner Bros.)

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Azog, portrayed by Manu Bennett through motion-capture technology, in "The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug." (Warner Bros.)

It wasn’t so long ago that Evangeline Lilly was one of those strident J.R.R. Tolkien fans worried that Peter Jackson’s movie adaptations wouldn’t capture the poetic soul of the fantasy she so loved as a child growing up in Canada.

“I was a bit of a Tolkien purist before Peter Jackson made the ‘Lord of the Rings’ trilogy,” the actress said recently. “I was adamant that I wouldn’t see those films because there was no way that anybody was going to be able to re-create what I had imagined in my mind on the screen. I ended up being dragged to it for a big family Christmas thing and couldn’t believe how accurately he had portrayed everything that I’d ever imagined.”

Evangeline Lilly is photographed in Beverly Hills, Calif., on Oct. 17, 2013. (Kevin Winter / Getty Images)

Evangeline Lilly was surprised how accurately Peter Jackson captured J.R.R. Tolkien’s fantasy. (Kevin Winter / Getty Images)

Now Lilly is hoping that fans will be just as pleasantly surprised by her Woodland elf Tauriel, who makes her debut as the first Middle-earth character not invented by Tolkien in Warner Bros.’ Dec. 13 release, “The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.”

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The second installment in the planned three-part adaptation of the landmark 1937 children’s novel, “The Desolation of Smaug” sees good-natured hobbit Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman) continue his journey toward the Lonely Mountain to assist a company of dwarfs in their quest to reclaim their lost treasure, which was stolen by the sinister dragon Smaug.

The group encounters the creatures of the dark forest Mirkwood, where Lilly’s Tauriel resides, and eventually, the great lizard himself, who speaks with a silver-dagger baritone furnished by Benedict Cumberbatch.

“I had to learn how to spin my knives and make the knife work look fancy, and obviously how to use a bow and arrow,” Lilly said. “The good thing with the bow and arrow is that I never actually had to use an arrow. I used a bow and an imaginary arrow and they CGI in the arrows afterward so I look like a badass.”

The character grew out of the desire to introduce more female energy into the story — “The Hobbit” has no female characters to speak of — according to Philippa Boyens, who wrote “The Hobbit” scripts with Jackson and Fran Walsh (Guillermo del Toro, who was once set to direct the movies, also has a writing credit).

Evangeline Lilly as Tauriel, left, and Lee Pace as Thranduil in "The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug." (Warner Bros.)

Evangeline Lilly as Tauriel and Lee Pace as Thranduil in “The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.” (Warner Bros.)

But she said the writers were careful to cast Tauriel in such a way that she would feel like a natural extension of Tolkien’s world.

“We’re not trying to create a warrior princess or a character that you might find for example — and in saying this, I’m not denigrating them — in a video game,” Boyens said. “This wasn’t about creating a character that didn’t feel truthful. She’s an elf of the world of Middle-earth.”

Evangeline Lilly, right, and Josh Holloway in "Lost." (Mario Perez / ABC)

Evangeline Lilly and Josh Holloway in “Lost.” (Mario Perez / ABC)

Best known for her work as the tough but sensitive Kate Austen on the metaphysically twisty ABC series “Lost,” Lilly said she had been toying with the idea of early retirement when she received the call from Walsh and Boyens to gauge her interest in portraying the captain of guards in the Elven kingdom of Mirkwood.

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“I was laid up in bed having just given birth to my first child and I was actually still not mobile,” said Lilly, 34. “They offered me the role and I couldn’t say no.”

With her fiery auburn hair and reckless spirit, Tauriel is unique among the Elves that Jackson previously has brought to the screen. She doesn’t have the same royal lineage as Cate Blanchett’s Galadriel or Orlando Bloom’s Legolas, and she displays more vulnerability than is customary for the higher beings.

And that gave Lilly a chance to put her own stamp on the species.

“She had to be a bit more gritty, a bit more passionate than what you’d seen before,” the actress said. “It was actually great to have that little bit of freedom to play with her and not have my performance from beginning to end be stoic and ethereal.”

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31 Responses to ‘Hobbit’: Tolkien purist Evangeline Lilly talks new elf Tauriel

  1. mcbrion says:

    "Female energy"?
    This is simply a marketing tactic so that women will feel included. It's fine when it's legitimate, but this is about as real to me as seeing Black people as Romulans (in Star Trek). And I'm Black. I can live with realistic portrayals, but sometimes, it's a way of saying, "See? We didn't forget about "you."
    As a Tolkien reader from around 1968, I'm pleased for the actress herself: this will help her career, and I'm glad for that. But just adding someone to be politically correct? That's lame.

    • efffie says:

      Oh, get off it. It's a film series. The book series is not infallible. It's awful in some places. Tolkien was an idiot about women. His attachment to medieval notions of women motivated him to either leave women out of the story or cast them as either ethereal maidens who must die because they have sex (Arwen) ancient Elf women who have no sexuality at all (Galadriel) or warrior women who are freaks only saved by love (whatever that other woman was — hey can't remember her name, she was so incidental). The color scheme of his races is, itself, racist. White=right; darker=evil.
      Besides, if you're going to whine about something, why not whine about how Peter Jackson upped the ante and made Frodo and Sam's relationship so utterly homo-erotic?

      • clara says:

        Ummm Eowyn anybody? (and what you said about arwen and galadriel is wron)

      • Dead says:

        Oh c'mon cuh! You are so clueless, Galadriel no sexuality? I actually started to write a lengthy reply but it might do you even better to actually read Tolkien's works… May I just give you a few VERY brief notes because I would otherwise go on for hours:

        Arwen. Half-elven. Chose mortal life > Married Aragorn > Had a son named Eldarion (and 2 daughters at least) who reigned as king of the Reunited Kingdom > Gave up her life at ~3000 years of age.

        Galadriel. Celeborn > Tigress in the sack > Had daughter Celebrian, mother of Arwen.

        There are lots of very important, powerful, skillful, wise and complex female characters in Tolkiens Middle-Earth.

      • caseywollberg says:

        Let's not forget the few ruling queens of Numenor, who were variously formidable. In Numenorean succession, Tolkien created a history of increasing progressiveness ending in absolute primogeniture. Also, many of the most powerful figures in the corpus are female, since several of them are Valar or Maiar.

      • Realistic says:

        Yeah effie you're vastly incorrect. I mean I guess if you never read the actual books, or read them whilst TRYING to uncover hidden prejudices, you could come to these conclusions. Most women in Tolkien's stories are strong and independent. Even in the Silmarillion. I think you deciding that Arwen had to die because she had sex is hilarious and idiotic. In short, you are a moron. That being said, I'm okay with Jackson adding a new female character if he wants to.

      • anonym says:

        Here's what I, as a loyal and well-informed Tolkien fan, want to say: "Your post is a dismal tribute to your lack of both reading comprehension and retention, incompetence in the application of feminist analysis, and grasp of reality. Is your shoulder getting tired from carrying that chip? I suggest you get off your high horse — it is not, after all, one of the Mearas."

        Here's what I WILL say: "I will try not to assume the worst about you simply because you have spoken ill of my favorite books. You have likely misinterpreted Tolkien's message, and, through the presentation of ample evidence from Tolkien's work, I hope to correct your misinterpretation. Below, you will find a step-by-step response addressing your issues with the material in question. Please
        read with an open mind, and you might come to enjoy Tolkien's work, which is neither racist nor sexist."

      • anonym says:

        First off: "'Racism'"

        The light/darkness dichotomy is related to the ideas of light and darkness, and not to the ideas of skin color and race. Light symbolizes knowledge (light is needed to see clearly), life (sunlight and the warmth thereof are necessary for plant growth), and safety (we all fear the unknown lurking the darkness). Darkness, the absence of light (NOT the absence of WHITE), is simply the polar opposite of these attributes.

        There are Dark Elves — who have dark skin (admittedly more Mediterranean than black) and dark hair — in the Silmarillion, who are opposed to the evil of Morgoth (though they lack most of the fighting capability to do so due to their numbers, lifestyle and weaponry) and are fairly reclusive forest dwellers. Also, WHITE is not right, LIGHT — the metaphor for the attributes listed in the preceding paragraph — is right. Tolkien's color scheme also lists silver, green, gold, grey and brown as elvish "good colors", with russets, yellows, oranges, and browns introduced as popular colors in the Shire.

      • wellhellothere says:

        Don't forget the ghastly White Hand = evil. White = right…lol.

      • Andre says:

        Yep. And Saruman the White is actually one of the Villains.

      • anonym says:

        Second: "Arwen"

        There is NO indication, in either the books or in the admittedly racier movies, to indicate that sexual intercourse took place between Arwen and Aragorn (or anyone else) prior to their marriage; she surrendered her immortality (1) of her own free will (to be able to have a feasible relationship with the mortal whom she loved), and (2) BEFORE the marriage (and therefore before sex — there is no causal relationship between the loss of her virginity and the loss of her immortality). If anything, the voluntary sacrifice of her immortality is a testament to her strength of character and, on a more sappy note, the power of love.

      • anonym says:

        Third: "Galadriel"

        "Ancient Elf women"? Elves are immortal, and there is therefore no reason for virility to decrease with age; Galadriel had offspring (Celebrian, mother of Arwen) in the latter portion of her life. Galadriel is married, and, since she is still virile (and also, by all accounts, attractive despite her "ancientness'), is is highly UNreasonable to assume that she has no sex. As (1) a bearer of a powerful Elven ring, (2) the possessor of greater perception than her husband, (3) the possessor of wisdom rivaled only by Gandalf, and (4) one of the "Big Three" of the most powerful elven rulers, she is seen overriding her husband Celeborn in the few detailed interactions portrayed between them; all evidence points to her being the dominant figure in their relationship.

      • anonym says:

        Fourth: "'Incidental' Woman"

        Eowyn is not a "freak" or aberration by Middle Earth standards. She is called a "Shieldmaiden of Rohan" by Aragorn, indicating a Rohirric tradition, albeit not extremely common, of noble women being trained in the arts of war — also, the use of the word "shield" does not imply a less aggressive or merely defensive role for these women, as the Anglo-Saxon tradition, on which Tolkein based much of Rohirric culture, uses synecdoche (a part describing the whole: "hand" = a member of a ship's crew) to refer to soldiers as "spears" and "shields" interchangeably. Tolkien gives her an eloquent voice — "All your words are but to say: you are a woman, and your part is in the house. But when the men have died in battle and honour, you have leave to be burned in the house, for the men will need it no more. But I am of the House of Eorl and not a serving-woman. I can ride and wield blade, and I do not fear either pain or death." — in defense of her martial tendencies and against the confinement of women to domestic roles. Also, any flaws (like a so-called "freakish" desire for a glorious death on the battlefield) are both mirrored in other non-"freakish" characters (like Theoden, who died content due to his glorious battle feats, and Eomer, who (1) sang as he killed, (2) screamed "Death!" in a frantic and maddened cavalry charge, and (3) laughed at the prospect of his impending last stand upon the arrival of the "Corsairs") and also the product of her (semi) tragic background: her father and cousin were slaughtered, her mother died of an illness, and the experience of hopelessly watching Theoden and Rohan deteriorate under Grima's manipulation — which tore her between loyalty to the enthralled Theoden and to the crumbling Rohan — took a heavy toll. She was emotionally raw, and her only coping mechanism was to conceal her emotions under a chilly and (mostly) expressionless veil. In battle, she finds a purpose, an outlet, and (in contrast her conflict in Meduseld) a clearly defined "good" and "evil".

        Although her relationship with Faramir does coincide with positive character development for her, this character development is a result of her change in mindset. She admired Aragorn because of his courage and prowess in battle (her original values/priorities), but grew to love Faramir for his noble, wise, and gentle temperament (her new values/priorities). Her love for Faramir resulted from her new attitude (a product of her healing and time for reflection in the Houses of Healing); her character change CAUSED her love, not vice versa. A jaded WWI veteran, Tolkien was a pacifist, so his preference of peace in Eowyn is a product of pacifism rather than sexism. If Tolkein were to regard Eowyn as a "freak", then ALL Rohirrim (and fighters in general) would needs fall under the same category; however, rather than delight in pointing out her "freakishness", Tolkien praises her courage and skill on the battlefield as admirable — "Still she did not blench: maiden of the Rohirrim, child of kings, slender but as a steel-blade, fair but terrible. A swift stroke she dealt, skilled and deadly. The
        outstretched neck she clove asunder, and the hewn head fell like a stone. Backward she sprang as the huge shape crashed to ruin, vast wings outspread, crumpled on the earth; and with its fall the shadow passed away. A light fell about her, and her hair shone in the sunrise."
        NOTE: The elves and Rohirrim, effective warriors, are often described as "fell" and "terrible"; the word "terrible" is, in the context of this quote, not pejorative but rather descriptive of Eowyn's fighting capability.

        "Incidentally", this "incidental other woman" was responsible for destroying the Witch King, the Captain of Mordor (and the single most powerful foe of Gondor with the exception of Sauron), and thereby delivering Minas Tirith and the Rohirrim from conclusive defeat (and allowing Gandalf to save Faramir without devastating strategic repercussions); no other soldier on the battlefield was brave enough to even STAY NEAR the Witch King.

        Had she not done this, Mordor would have likely prevailed in the massively pivotal Battle of Pelennor Fields. There would have been no assault on the Black Gate of Mordor, as Aragorn's forces from the havens would have disembarked from the commandeered corsairs' ships and, at BEST, barely defeated the remaining forces of Mordor, cleared a ruined Minas Tirith of plunderers, and buried the dead people/warriors of Gondor and Rohan; the remaining troops would have been inadequate to mount a credible or adequate assault on the gate to distract Sauron from the Ringbearer, and the Quest would have FAILED.

        Eowyn's role was utterly indispensable and her actions admirable. Not "freakish".

      • anonym says:

        If you would like a LIST OF STRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS making an appearance in Tolkien's work, follow this link to an earlier post of mine (posted April 1st), which is better written:
        "http://unhasty.blogspot.com/2010/10/tolkiens-tragic-conservatism.html"

        NOTE: The list does not include ALL of the heroines in Tolkien's writings, who took varied roles; some of these roles were not such active, martial, or leadership roles as those posted in the list. Examples of those NOT in the list include: Morwen*, Nienor**, Celebrian***,…etc.

        *Lady Morwen maintained the dignity of her folk (+1) during their enslavement to men in Morgoth's service, but, cursed by Morgoth, eventually turned into a mental and emotional wreck (-1).

        **Despite holding her own in a doomed battle of wills against Glaurung (+1), Nienor (Morwen's daughter) was cursed by Morgoth, ultimately suffered trauma, and was hampered by emotional distress (-1) and debilitating amnesia (-1)…and (accidentally) kinda married her brother…at least she was a very swift and athletic runner (+1).

        ***Celebrian endured prolonged torture at the hands of orc captors (+2), but was rescued (-1) by her sons and had to depart to the Blessed Realm for healing (-1).

        If you do not have the stamina to read more dense and indignant posts, have a lovely day and go see The Hobbit tomorrow!

      • John says:

        Effie is clueless. Since Tolkien was writing fantasy about a time when it was likely women were not recognized as having value why does that make him an idiot? Seems to me if you are writing about a time when women were not highly regarded then you would be an idiot to write the story as if they were. We live in such a politically correct climate, hyper politically correct, that people are literally searching for excuses to be offended and to be outraged.

  2. John says:

    Actually Azog wasn't in the book either.

  3. tolkien lover says:

    Coming from a devout Tolkien fan, I am the first to admit that Tolkien's grasp of women was limited. Eowyn was actually his daughter's idea. Galadriel even has a low voice. That said, the Tauriel as described here is not a natural outgrowth of Tolkien's world. An interesting female character could have been Dis, the only female dwarf Tolkien refers to, mother of Fili and Kili and sister of Thorin. Oh, and Azog is mentioned in the Hobbit.

    • anonym says:

      Though Azog is, of course, dead and mentioned as such. Thorin never fought him Isildur-style, and Dain actually killed Azog at Azanulbizar ("A fair jaw-cracker dwarf-language must be!" — Sam).

      I don't mind a female character (or multiple ones) intruduced to Tolkien's universe, but I have two important conditions: (1) that no alterations to the roles of existing characters be made, and (2) that the character appears to have a natural place in Tolkien's world (and certainly does not feel forced or artificial).

      Jackson has failed utterly in this regard.

      Tauriel's presence is an overtly obvious bow to political correctness — and the prioritization thereof over the integrity of his (non-sexist) work — and feels very artificial; her role even insults feminists: she is involved in the ONLY emotional/romantic entanglement in the movie (there was no romance in the book) and she is the ONLY female elf present in the Mirkwood forces (she seems like Thranduil's token-girl even in the context of the in-movie setting).

      I know plenty of girls and women (all intelligent, talented, well-read, and good critical thinkers; several are feminists) who love The Hobbit as it is, and part of the story's charm is its ability to tell a classic tale with new depth, novel characters (ie. hobbits, good dwarves), and endearing humor; this talent is sadly lacking in modern screenwriting, and significant alterations (especially additions) by modern screenwriters to "improve" the work are ill-advised. More often than not, they mirror the infamously inept "restoration"/"improvement" of "Ecce Homo". Like me, aforementioned women are horrified to hear how much Tolkien's work has been compromised for the sake of profit: Azog as "God of War", Barrels out of Bondage as "Disney Park Water-Ride", and Legolas/Tauriel/Kili as "Twilight Love Triangle".

      What gets me most is TaurielxKili: Kili was a dwarf, an assumed enemy of the elves, and a prisoner of Thranduil in the book — due to centuries of bloodshed, conflict over treasure, and cultural/racial compatibility issues, elves and dwarves DO NOT MIX; Tolkien portrays this as an unfortunate fact of life (likely metaphorical for analogous issues in modern society), but a fact all the same, and its existence makes Middle Earth seem more believable. To have Tauriel fall for Kili — and to have Kili as a ripoff of Twilight's "Jacob" — is simply nauseating, and it cheapens and destroys the genuineness and genius of Tolkien's world.

      Dis would have been an excellent idea.

      Unfortunately, Jackson seems determined to earn the title of "Jackazog the Defiler (of The Hobbit)". I hope the movie will prove me wrong, and I withhold my final judgement until seeing it.

  4. Maka says:

    Since the role of Tauriel was produced it would have been nice to see a few other Elven women in the role of warrior among the ranks to support the idea women also had a place among the men in a military role for their realm. I didn't notice any.

    I look to the films as Peter Jackson's vision of the stories Tolkien wrote. My vision differs but this still does not effect my enjoyment of the movies.

  5. smaug says:

    tbqh you're all 100% entitled to your opinions but if you don't like Tauriel or Tauriel/Kili i'm going to need you to stay at least 9765486543 feet away from me

  6. Shay says:

    FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

  7. Deb says:

    The healing scene by Tauriel…I cannot be the only one that laughed because of the pg porn qualities!

  8. wisentime says:

    As a matter of fact Tolkien was married and had a son and respected women very much. His son compiled a book of his notes that were left out of his final printed editions. He made Eowyn the slayer of the Nazgul King and Arwen saved Frodo. Galadriel a very superior Elvan woman of magic was married to Celeborn and had a daughter who later married Elron and they had Arwen. As Eowyn states in Return of the King The royal women of Rohan go out to war with the men and keep swords to kill themselves and their children if their men should fail. Rather die than be brutalized by the Orcs. Tolkien lived the world of his Hobbit and Trilogy and had many other ideas about the history of the Elves and Valor who preceeded the Elves that we know of in the Ring trilogy. There were many ancestors etc. Men and Elves and many histories of fighting the Dark Shadow who was not originally Sauron. Sauron came to power afterward and played nice till his time came to reveal his true nature.
    In the End I think the character of Tauriel is a great addition to the story line. We all like to add to classics and think of endings for stories when left hanging. I'm really appalled at the lack of understanding of Tolkien's masterpiece classic.

  9. wisentime says:

    As a matter of fact Tolkien was married and had a son and respected women very much. His son compiled a book of his notes that were left out of his final printed editions. He made Eowyn the slayer of the Nazgul King and Arwen saved Frodo. Galadriel a very superior Elvan woman of magic was married to Celeborn and had a daughter who later married Elron and they had Arwen. As Eowyn states in Return of the King The royal women of Rohan go out to war with the men and keep swords to kill themselves and their children if their men should fail. Rather die than be brutalized by the Orcs. Tolkien lived the world of his Hobbit and Trilogy and had many other ideas about the history of the Elves and Valor who preceeded the Elves that we know of in the Ring trilogy. There were many ancestors etc. Men and Elves and many histories of fighting the Dark Shadow who was not originally Sauron. Sauron came to power afterward and played nice till his time came to reveal his true nature.
    In the End I think the character of Tauriel is a great addition to the story line. We all like to add to classics and think of endings for stories when left hanging.

    • anonym says:

      I'm a bit puzzled. Glorfindel saved Frodo in the books, and Peter Jackson (or the screenwriters, at any rate) modified Frodo's flight to the ford to introduce Arwen and give her a somewhat active role (in contrast with Tauriel, this actually worked). Are you saying that in J.R.R. Tolkien's posthumously published notes compiled by Christopher Tolkien, J.R.R had Arwen in the role later taken by Glorfindel in the final edition.

  10. Jay says:

    Where it is true that Elves and Dwarfs generally do not mix, Leogalas and Gimli do in LOTR, and afterwards, build a lifelong freindship. If that friendship can build with a Sindar elf, who is to say what can happen with a Silvan elf? Because of Legolas's potential feelings for Tauriel, depending on how the relationship between Kili and Tauriel matures, it may open the door for that later relationship with Gimli.

    I don't know how they will play out the ending, but another item to note is that Kili is not one of Tolkien's survivors of the battle of the five armies. Considering the very significant departures from the books, I don't know that this fact matters :)

  11. Adam says:

    Tauriel was not needed and I think this Love Triangle idea is just awful. Jackson said he needed a girl, but that sounds more sexist than Tolkien simply not including a female character. It's almost as if Peter Jackson thinks he's going to get millions of 12-14 year old boys running to the theater to see Tauriel cleavage or something. I'm sorry, but maybe women came to the theater to see Vigo and Orlando, but men aren't going to do that….especially for a Hobbit movie.

  12. Beth says:

    I always thought that part of what made Eowyn such a powerful character in LOTR was precisely the lack of women in the Hobbit: it gives the impression of a medieval, male dominated world, at least where war and adventuring were concerned.

    Now it is true that Tolkien described the elves as more egalitarian than the other races. Their genders were more similar in height, strength and occupation, and of course Galadriel was ruler of their most powerful kingdom. But he doesn't describe the female elves as involved in violence except for self defense. I enjoyed Tauriel's character when I watched the film, but female elf warrior just doesn't ring true to middle earth in my ears.

  13. Aaron says:

    This pairing between Tauriel and Kili doesn't even make any sense. Men and Elves were created by Illuvatar, god of gods, so they can actually couple and marry, albeit rarely. Dwarves were created by Aule the Smith god, and are not physically capable of reproducing with elves, let alone being attracted to them. Elves and Dwarves are not physically capable of finding the other race appealing, there is no way this pairing would have ever worked.

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