Terry Gilliam on ‘Dark Knight,’ ‘Tintin’ and ‘Transformers’

Dec. 03, 2011 | 8:03 a.m.
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We’re still hearing a lot of response to our biggest article this week, “Terry Gilliam: The heir of Fellini and the enemy of God?,” but the story isn’t quite done yet.

Gilliam, the director of “Brazil” and “Twelve Monkeys,” is a man of fiery opinions and during our two interviews (covering three hours and spread over two days) he lobbed a few Molotov cocktails in different directions. So, with quotes that didn’t make it into that first article, we bring you the World According to Gilliam:

transformers dark of the moon Terry Gilliam on Dark Knight, Tintin and Transformers* On “Transformers: Dark of the Moon“: “The latest ‘Transformers’ movie was on the plane coming over to Los Angeles. It’s horrible and there’s all these phallic things going on. I just couldn’t even deal with it. C’mon, leave some room for me, as the audience. The audience is totally excluded, you just sit there and watch the explosions. I couldn’t tell you what the movie was about. A lot of the audience is happy not to get involved. They’ve been working some [awful] job all day long and you just want to go out to a movie. That’s fine, that’s great. But I prefer something that catches you off guard and makes you think and feel and walk out different from when you came in…with ‘Transformers,’ with the building falling down and everything, there are great images but how can people slide down a crashing building without consequence, without physics? It’s just numbing. The movie hammers the audience into submission. They are influenced by video games but in video games at least you are immersed, in these movies you’re left out. And in the movies, humans are only there to fall and run around and, somehow, go through windows without getting cut to shreds.”

* On Hollywood scores: “John Williams is a great musician but, wow, enough John. It isn’t his choice, of course, it’s the directors who allow him to take over a film and tell you exactly what you should be feeling every second of every minute of the film. I want people to come out with very different ideas of what the film is so they are real participants in the film as opposed to just paying observers. Most films now won’t let you in.”

* On “The Adventures of Tintin“: “I don’t want to pick on certain films but it’s opened in Europe and I’ve seen it and it’s also relentless. Unrelenting. Can you just slow down for a moment? There is no arc of the character for once, at least, it’s just, ‘Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go, and now get ready for the sequel.’ Technically, it’s phenomenal. The chase scene is extraordinary but it’s strange that everyone is excited that it’s a single camera move but, um, it’s an animated film!  Big deal. I read one article that said that they had to put several Tintin stories in there to pack it out. But actually you didn’t. Just tell one and slow down a bit and let people breathe. I think there’s an insecurity because it’s not even a roller coaster anymore; because at least a roller coaster slows down at some point and has dips and tension.”

* On Steven Spielberg and James Cameron: “I always wanted to do more with the camera when I was younger. When I first started seeing stuff that Spielberg was doing I remember thinking, ‘God, how does he move the camera like that?’ That’s brilliant.’ And even Jim Cameron, too, I was so envious of that stuff. I know I can’t do it. I don’t have the money to do it. And I don’t actually quite have the skills. The closest I ever got was stealing the tracking shots from ‘Paths of Glory‘ for ‘Brazil.’ All those tracking shots of Kirk Douglas in the trenches, that’s where I got it from. Those were the most elaborate shots I ever did. My stuff is really old, classical [stuff]. There’s a wide shot, a mid-shot and a close. [Instead] it’s about using juxtaposition or you counter something and let the ironies float through. To me it’s always been about the ideas. It’s not the technical skill because I’ve been limited in that.”      

dark knight poster Terry Gilliam on Dark Knight, Tintin and Transformers* On digital effects: “They are a Damocles sword. Any of this stuff you use is just a tool but there’s this rush now for photorealism and it bothers me. There’s so much overt fantasy now that I don’t watch a lot of the films because everything is possible now. There’s no tension there. Where’s the tension? Is it possible? Will you succeed? Will gravity take over? None of those things are part of the equation anymore. The denial of reality and consequence was fun when these movies began but now it’s been 20 years of this stuff. I keep waiting for the public to get fed up with it but then I worry that now it’s been here so long the audience is trained that this is what movies are meant to be.” 

 * On Christopher Nolan and “The Dark Knight”: “The car chase stuff in ‘Dark Knight’ is a video game; it is shot-for-shot, as you would get it in a video game like Grand Theft Auto. He’s got a weird balance; he understands all of that – the energy of it – so he chooses to put it in there yet he’s also a very intelligent filmmaker who can do all sorts of things. He’s incredibly good. With ‘Inception,’ I wondered why all of the dreams were action movies. Don’t people have other dreams? And what’s interesting about the films are they are asexual. Maybe that’s the problem. Women can represent danger in them but no one seems to be having sex in these movies. In society overall, we have all this porn, 24 hours a day, so everyone can [masturbate] but I wonder is anyone having real sex anymore? I ask myself these questions.”

– Geoff Boucher

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65 Responses to Terry Gilliam on ‘Dark Knight,’ ‘Tintin’ and ‘Transformers’

  1. vic says:

    Gilliam isn't that great a filmaker. Tideland SUCKS and so does Mr. Parnassus

    • fstone says:

      Sometimes i want to see a movie that makes me think, and sometimes i want to see a movie that doesn’t make me have to think. To be fair, Terry is naming kids movies. Kids, dont think of things like gravity, and all that. Kids have short attention spans, so there always needs to be action happening.

      • Rich says:

        Enjoyed both those films and think Tideland is a masterpiece. Obviously we can all have different opinions, but you seem to be under the illusion your own opinions are facts.

  2. Ant says:

    I think it’s great to have true veterans opinions about what they are spoon feeding us in the movies now. I used to love nothing more than to go to a movie. Now I can hardly sit through an entire film. There is no emotion at all. Kind of like poker with fake money, every other idiot is all in and why not? Now Ill admit that if done properly, using all the latest tech, it can be a worthwhile outing, like Avatar on Imax. Avatar just thrilled me and made me smile the entire time, very fresh no matter how old the story might have been. However, as Gilliam suggests, these skills and or expensive cameras are not available to everyone and a lot of the films are trying to mimic the sensation of something like Avatar with poor writing and no tech, and failing miserably. As far as film scores

  3. Staldo says:

    A psychedelic transformers movie directed by Terry Gilliam would kick so much ass. I agree there is way too much setting up for sequels. The Golden Compass was an incomprehensible mess of a movie because of it.

  4. dwake says:

    Sean, get mad. You probably love Transformers.

  5. Richard says:

    He makes some valid points.

    Good to get a top director being honest and not just being political.

    Tintin was unrelenting. Transformers 3 did spoon feed you into mindless apathy. Nolan's films are too clinical and a little sexless. John Williams has regressed.

    Most modern films are just edited too fast these days. The best films were made in the 70's when there was time for characters and not just dense plot.

    • Jae says:

      Its funny how people say "the ole days." There were alot of things that happened in "the ole days" that is not good anymore. Medicine has advanced, more opportunities for women and minorities. Of course there are pros and cons of the things between then and now. I saw the 1980's version of Man on Fire. Boring as hell. The 2003 version was ten times better. I wish people would stop hanging on to the past and start looking through the wind shield.

  6. stephen says:

    Your the tool, not everyone needs to agree with the loving fanboys that drool over terrible films that focus on style rather than substance. It's called an opinion, and he makes some good points.

  7. MR. says:

    I actually agree with him on everything. If you can do anything with special effects, the only limit is creativity, and it seems that it is becoming hard to do something with CGI besides SPECTACULAR BULLSHIT, instead of story integrated visuals to engage and involve an audience.

  8. WilWa says:

    He is absolutely, 100%, correct.

  9. Colonel Mustard says:

    Gilliam is a good film maker, but I disagree with a LOT of what he's said here.
    Doesn't like Transformers because it's a fast paced action movie. Well, why would someone like Terry Gilliam even watch Transformers. It's clearly not his type of movie.
    Doesn't understand why Inception's dreams are all action movies? It's because it IS an action movie! You dope!

    Not everyone has a deranged artistic mind like you, Mr Gilliam.

  10. fvddfdgd says:

    somebody should shut your mouth!!! pay some respect.

  11. Sue says:

    I think Terry's comments are refreshing and I agree with several of them. Different strokes for different folks.

  12. Evan says:

    I think he's been in the industry long enough to have these opinions. harsh as they were they were actually well formed, unlike a comment just saying for him to shut up and go back to the grind-stone. his movie's aren't nearly as popular or as well received as the directors he calls out, but his ideas are very interesting and with stronger backing and more confidence they could be just as good if not better than most of the movies that are currently at the top.

  13. Jack says:

    What part do you object to? Someone having an inside view of film making and voicing it about people that are idolized? Or that you don't consider his movies that great. Essentially you are saying he can't have an opinion because you didn't like 12 Monkeys…

    As for the actual interview, it's nice to see someone willing to actually say what they think. He is quick to admit that he's not a technically skilled director, so his feelings will obviously differ. His points about lack of immersion and movies just bludgeoning audiences is an astute one. Used to be that the occassional movie would be unrelenting and it would be intentional, but even movies that were trying to make a point, like Law Abiding Citizen a year or two ago, fail because they push action over substance…

  14. john says:

    though gilliam's movies have been declining in interest for me over the past decade, i see that his mind is as sharp as ever. he's 100 percent right on all points here, and the truth is hurting poor sean.

  15. mortimer says:

    gilliam's the perfect man to take on the flaws of the hallowed Inception. namely, why did all those dreams have such precise logic? nothing i've ever dreamt had any logic at all. dreams are a creation of the irrational mind, the subconscious. it does not have a precise clock, or a consistent set of symbolic imagery. it is chaos. dreams are a wonderful playground for a filmmaker like Fellini or Gilliam to explore. I thought Nolan fell flat on his logical face with that one.

  16. Rick says:

    Spot on Terry, Spot on.

  17. McGuiver says:

    I like him, but calling out John Williams? Really? John Williams?

    He's made some thoughtful movies, but what I think he fails to realize is that sometimes its more powerful when the movie isn't so ambiguous. When it just says "this is what I have to say".

    Don't get me wrong, I like Gilliam a lot. But there has to be both kinds of films. He's starting to sound jealous of the massive success of some of his contemporaries.

  18. batty says:

    i wish you'd discussed Blade Runner with Gilliam. I've heard he loathes that film, which most of the world considers a classic. I would love to hear what he considers are its flaws…

  19. ollie says:

    Just shut up? They asked him these questions mate, and he clearly knows not all movies are for everyone he described an understanding of how people would find these movies appealing and followed up with explaining and he doesn't and this is why.

  20. Tony says:

    I personally agree with Gilliam some what, I do like these movies that he's bad mouthing though I mean they have there place in entertainment but I mean Inception could have been better if there hadn't been such an obsession on the action in the movie and it needed a better ending. But I don't feel there's enough quality drama's coming out anymore and I mean stuff like Forest Gump or what dreams may come, or a good suspense movie like the usual suspects. there is stuff like that coming out for sure the king's speech for example, but what else? Even though I like these movies I think even with all their CGI and extreme situations they don't hold up to more realistic style action I mean die hard was awesome because of that, real explosions and a man in a difficult situation getting tired and bleeding but pulling through I mean look at the matrix movies the first was great! second and third sucked! Because they got too heavy in the CGI and pulled away from the story plot too much.

  21. the mook says:

    actually, as a highly critically acclaimed professional he is the only person in a position to judge his peers, you mate are one of the nets many faceless idiots. get a life before you try and take down a legend, seriously, sean 'i'm an internet loser and i'm 12' going up against this legend? don't make me laugh.

  22. Joe says:

    Yeah Gilliam! How dare you have an opinion that does not match my own and then have the audacity to voice that opinion during an interview in which you are asked to give it! The sheer nerve.

  23. Doop says:

    It's called being passionate about something, tool.

  24. Strolden Polliche says:

    What was the last film you made? Gilliam is an unequalled master of cinema, an artist with inimitable style
    and passion. His opinions may differ from your own, but really, who are you? Nobody.

  25. David says:

    Ive read interviews with him before and he always sounds bitter about this and that id go out on a limb here and say his bitter about his lack of talent he dose have and anyway would Chris Nolan or any of the names above say anthing of a negative nature about his films having said that they would have good reason too his films are aften messy and contrived and at times make no sense i mean The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus comes to mind and whats with bagging out John Williams okay you might not like his scores but why go out of your way to publically criticise a legend of cinema maby to bring him down to his bitter level who knows his a doosh.

    • Kenny says:

      …it’s called PUNCTUATION. Ever wonder why all of those little “funny spots and stuff” are always on your computer and your phone? Look into it…

    • MeMeMe says:

      Wow. You managed a full stop at the end there. Bravo. I'm guessing you in the unrelenting audience bludgeoning camp.

      • Sartre says:

        Just saying, He's been very unlucky with his production, so his films get quite messy because like for example, Ledger died in the Middle of Production you see…

  26. Mark says:

    I actually agree with a lot of his points. Especially that of Transformers 3 "hammering the audience into submission" with it's unrelenting, irrelevant and nonsensical action scenes. Gilliam has a load of great ideas for film, unfortunately his best effort of late has been The Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus, which wasn't very good, at all. 12 Monkeys is amazing, Brazil is even better.

    I wouldn't say he was a 'ridiculous idiot'. He's speaking on what he believes film (as a medium) is. Not all movies are for everyone, but people are entitled to their own opinion on them, especially if you are one of Hollywood's most experienced directors with several massively celebrated films under your belt.

  27. Burnett says:

    Wow! Just to think that there was a stage in his career when Gilliam said he would never talk s— about other filmmakers (he mentioned it in a 2006 article for Empire magazine). I find his comments about Nolan to be strange, too, because Gilliam’s films are highly asexual. Sometimes, they are emotional and romantic (12 Monkeys), but he seems to view sexuality in a cartoonish and garish manner, failing to commit to the seriousness of the feeling/emotion. Just compare the work of Gilliam and Bruce Robinson in adapting the work of Hunter S. Thompson to the screen. Whereas Robinson seems unafraid with tackling sexuality, Gilliam views it in an infantile and childish manner. In fact, the only film that seems to deal with sexuality in an overt manner is Tideland, in which the girl and an older, disturbed man is heavily sexualised.

  28. JohnnyBawBag says:

    Anyone that slams michael bay gets brownie points! Transformers is just an awful awful film

  29. carlos says:

    he should have more respect. in 60 years people will remember j. williams and his contribution to cinema, as well as spielberg. not that much with him

  30. komododgarg0n says:

    Twelve Monkeys, the Fisher King, Brazil, Time Bandits, Monty Python – not gonna be remembered? Really? Really???

    I may not be impressed with his recent stuff but I think it's great a filmmaker actually has an opinion instead of sucking up all the time like so many others do.

  31. Dan says:

    I understand his bitterness: these movies are keeping him from directing anymore and he's frustrated. I get it. Do I agree with him? I probably would about Transformers, but as for Spielberg and Williams? Nah. If it weren't for that duo, I wouldn't give two shakes about Terry Gilliam, because I wouldn't appreciate film nearly as much.

    It's really sad, because I'd watch every movie Terry Gilliam could make and not be easily disappointed, though it'd be surprising if he ever made one again. I really enjoyed Dr. Parnassus, even though I was the only person at the showing I attended. But that's part of the appeal. I definitely think he's underrated and given the resources, he could pound out a pretty fine film. It wouldn't be for everyone, but it would be great for film geeks and his fans. I would like to see more movies that aren't so predictable and stupid. Movies that take risks. I think the way to go is just to try and make those on the indie circuit and just let the response do the talking. Occupy Hollywood!

  32. Darkhawk says:

    I tend to agree with Mr. Gilliam's sentiments, even if his own work hardly stands up for them. He has truly made some very good films – 12 Monkeys, Munchausen, Time Bandits, and (the only really great one) Fisher King among them – but this does not change the fact that he gave in to his wilder (and worse) tendencies many decades ago. Garbage like Parnassus is filled with CG anyway, so not sure what his point was there. Nevertheless, even a Michael Bay Transformers film is a less offensive audio-visual assault than s*** like Parnasses, Tideland, Grimm, and the list goes on.

  33. Gorriate says:

    I confess I do not like much some films made by Mr Gilliam. Moreover, I can admit that none of his films is possibly perfect. But, anyway, he is the most inusual, fresh, bold, valiant and intelligent fantasy film creator I can remember. His fantasy films tell simple stories in many complex and different levels, so I understand perfectly his dislike for plain stories with a host of special effects. I also understand that many people may not enjoy Gilliam films. But, lads, his opinion counts and he deserves some respect. So, opinions about his job may be destructive if you wish, but not about the man.

    I agree with him in many points. Williams is an immense composer, but it is true that his music is used to tell the audience what to feel in every moment. And flat plots and characters are so common in movies today, that many old movie watchers -like myself- are simply tired of movies.

  34. Gorriate says:

    I confess I do not like much some films made by Mr Gilliam. Moreover, I can admit that none of his films is possibly perfect. But, anyway, he is the most inusual, fresh, bold, valiant and intelligent fantasy film creator I can remember. His fantasy films tell simple stories in many complex and different levels, so I understand perfectly his dislike for plain stories with a host of special effects. I also understand that many people may not enjoy Gilliam films. But, lads, his opinion counts and he deserves some respect. So, opinions about his job may be destructive if you wish, but not about the man.

  35. Ben says:

    Way to hit it on the head Gilliam. Personally, there is not a single Gilliam movie I don't get immersed in and find myself thinking about what's going to happen next while wondering what just happened at the same time. He perfectly capture's emotion in movies and his "Gilliam-esque" style of film-making often reminds me of what it's like to be a child. I can't stand any movies anymore because there is no Originallity. By far my favorite director, and will continue to impress me as long as he continues to make films.

  36. Jon C says:

    "Working some awful job and they just want to see a movie…" hits the nail in the head! I had enough of "The Transformers" after the first movie, then again I enjoyed the hell out of "The Green Lantern," so what do I know?!

  37. Ron says:

    Just sounds bitter to me…seriously. Chris Nolan's rise over the last decade has been the most refreshing thing to happen to cinema in a while. He doesn't take his audiences for total idiots. If Terry knew anything about Herge's comics he'd know how Tintin is adventure after adventure and should be treated as such. Calling it relentless is way off the mark. Spielberg gave it the proper treatment. He's right about the Transformers films though…totally mind numbing.

  38. Arye MIchael Bender says:

    Terry Gilliam first earned my respect as a Python. His films continue to be amazing explorations of the nature of what we call reality, with an unequalled eye for quirky detail and dark irony. His critique of an emptiness at the core of many films is spot on. And he got right to the heart of what went wrong with 'Inception'. Please, keep making brilliant films Mr. Gilliam!

  39. Mark H says:

    I laugh whenever I hear anyone rubbish Transformers the film for being too loud, brainless or fast. It's a film based on a toy range. Have you seen kids play with toys? BASH! BASH! EEEYYYOOOWWW!!!! DAKKADAKKADAKKA!!KABOOMMM!!! I think Bay has done a BRILLIANT job of realising the sandpit battles of a 4 year old. It's spectacle like a firework display. Trying to make sense of it, to reason with it is a waste of your time and ours. Just go OHHHHHH!!!! and WEEEE!!! like a child and you'll get it.

  40. billy says:

    Gilliam's reach exceeds his grasp … which can be a good thing or a disaster. I like that he takes chances and he's the kind of person that doesn't mind pissing off his peers.

  41. JLR says:

    Terry, I like your movies but just give it up already.

  42. WHATUP says:

    This is the third transformers movie and your still looking for all that, dude look some where else thats not what transformers is all about everyone compaints but they still go to the thearter to watch them, seat down and read a review before you take your butt over to a movie thearter or carrie an ipad like I do or any tablet or laptop on the plane so you can watch something else just in case. COME ON THIRD TRANSFORMERS MICHAEL BAY STOP LOOKING FOR MORE take them for what they are just good fun, giant robots and explosion and as a man I LOVE IT…….

  43. heytommyallen says:

    Ah, 'tis good to read Terry saying what's right. Glad to see he can make comment and someone else will print it…. but that's Hollywood on the negative (yuck-yuck). Now please, will someone give this genius some money so we can have the opportunity put to trash his shit? The world would benefit from trusting in Jesus, I mean Terry.

  44. Roberto Carvalho says:

    About Inception, well you point the asexuality as a flaw in the movie, but I would consider the exposure of a sexual repression to be the main creator of the movie's conflict. The dreams are made by dreams architects and the action is presented as a response to intruders. In solitary dreams people would have normal sexual dreams but in the movie there is always an intruder modifying it towards some specific purposes. I enjoy the many less-tighten ways of conceiving dreams in movies, like yours, but for me the point made by Inception is also valid and express in many ways the paradoxical repression that happen in times of sex bombarded in different themes by the Media in general. You can masturbate but it's not the same, you know..

  45. Jeff Thurman says:

    I agree with Gilliam about Williams. One of the problems with Spielberg films is they all sound the same; Williams is stuck in a Spielberg rut of self importance. The one time Spielberg didn't use Williams was in 1982. Jerry Goldsmith was brought in to score "Poltergeist" and a classic score was born.

  46. Peter Briggs says:

    I want to take issue with Terry Gilliam speaking about his own camerawork.

    Terry: you’re nuts. I’m about to start making a movie, and several times I’ve referenced that “I want this to look like Shot X that Gilliam did in blah, blah, blah…”

    You’re far more inspirational than you imagine, sir. The phrase “Gilliam-esque” conjures up magic in a trice.

  47. estebee says:

    totally agree with him, valid points! nice perspective!

  48. chris b. says:

    Good interview. Provocative comments by Gilliam. He makes a lot of cogent points about how FX and explosions and cardboard characters make for awful movies, and Transformers represents that formula taken to the Nth degree of schlock. That said, dissing people like John Williams is tacky . I think a lot of Wiliams' stuff is too syrupy, but some of his earlier themes — Jaws, Star Wars, Superman, Indiana Jones — are Hall of Fame soundtracks. I guess my other reaction is that Terry needs to worry more about his own filmmaking. He's made a lot bad movies. I rented Time Bandits a few months ago for my kids and it was utterly unwatchable. My view is that Fisher King was the last good film he made — it had narrative power and award-winning performances based on compelling characters — but that was more than two decades ago. What happened, Terry?

  49. Ian Schultz says:

    Gilliam loves Blade Runner

  50. Jason says:

    I agree with a lot of what he said, but particularly the part about the musical score. I've noticed that for years, because I love watching older black and white movies. In older movies the music wasn't in your face every freakin' second of the movie. There are actually long stretches where there is no music at all, and this gives the scene time to breathe and the audience a chance to really sink into it and feel however they are meant to feel. Keep the music out of it!

  51. Barra says:

    At least nolan will NEVER direct shitty movies the grimm brothers

  52. Sophie says:

    It's interesting that he picked up on the "sexlessness" of Nolan's films. That's something I actually appreciate about them. Mainstream Hollywood films frame sex in a certain way, and I'm sorry, but they hammer it in your head. I personally think that Nolan is concerned about issues that may be a little deeper than sex. He doesn't have time for it, similar a bit to Terrence Malick, though the two of them are VERY different filmmakers obviously. But Inception was overblown in my opinion

  53. Stewart McAlister says:

    Mr Gilliam's work has spanned decades, fads, tastes and further he has survived all this time in an industry which, to the casual observer, seems often determined to prevent him from ever working again. The sheer amount of work produced by this gentleman over the years is testament to the determination required to succeed in an industry dominated by financial models and how well one fairs in a media driven popularity contest. Thankfully it is still possible to see genuine originality with a hint of a decent budget from time to time; storytelling for the sheer hell of it. Long may he continue to make original work and inspire others to do so. It may not always be to my personal taste, but a world without his vision of cinema would be a duller world indeed. As to those complaining with regard to his criticisms of other film makers, I thought that freedom of speech was one of those All American inventions. Oh…. Wait a minute…….

  54. bondjamesbond says:

    Cronenberg, now Gilliam have spoken up about these types of films/filmmakers and just how overated they are. For those of you who say these two aren't good filmmakers, you're so very wrong.

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